Vegan vs. carnivore – which diet stands up to the science? Episode #343 brings you a fiery debate exploring two opposing approaches to nutrition. Hosted on the Ellen Fisher Podcast, this thought-provoking episode features me, Simon Hill, and Dr Robert Kiltz, a leading voice in the carnivore and keto movements. Whether you’re vegan, carnivore, or somewhere in between, this debate will challenge your views and empower you to make informed choices.
“I don’t care about public health, I care about human health. All humans, around the globe.” Dr Kiltz
This debate is hosted by Ellen Fisher, a vegan educator, content creator, and podcast host with over 17 years of experience advocating for plant-based living. The Ellen Fisher Podcast is a space for powerful debates, meaningful conversations, and mindful growth. Joining me in this discussion is Dr Robert Kiltz, MD, a reproductive endocrinologist and Founder of CNY Fertility, one of the largest fertility practices in the U.S. Dr Kiltz is a prominent figure in the keto carnivore movement and believes that an animal-based diet significantly enhances mental clarity, fertility, and overall health.
“Science is, for me, about moving closer to some form of truth and reducing uncertainty.” Simon Hill
In this episode, we tackle key topics such as the hierarchy of scientific evidence, the health impacts of plant-based versus animal-based diets, and the role of nutrition in disease prevention. You’ll gain valuable insights into the evidence supporting each dietary approach and explore practical takeaways to guide your personal health journey. This episode is ideal for anyone seeking a deeper understanding of the science behind diet and its connection to long-term health.
Specifically, we cover:
- Introduction (00:00)
- Personal Health Journeys: How Diet Shapes Our Lives (02:20)
- Scientific Evidence vs. Personal Anecdotes: Finding the Truth (07:50)
- Nutritional Science and Its Impact on Public Health (16:51)
- Mechanisms and Metabolic Health (22:55)
- Why Experts Disagree: Conflicting Views on Diet and Health (30:16)
- Ansel Keys Revisited: The Fat vs. Sugar Debate in Nutrition (54:45)
- Outliers in Research: How They Influence Diet Discussions (55:55)
- Did Humans Evolve to Eat Meat or Plants? (57:36)
- The Role of Fat: Separating Myths from Scientific Evidence (59:23)
- How Funding Influences Scientific Studies and Nutrition Advice (01:08:57)
- Why Dietary Guidelines Are So Complex and Confusing (01:13:17)
- Plant-Based vs. Carnivore: Which Diet Is Healthier? (01:18:58)
- Anecdotes in Nutrition: Do Personal Stories Hold Weight? (01:26:16)
- Diverse Perspectives: Why They Matter in Nutrition Science (01:30:44)
- Is There an Objective Truth in Nutrition Science? (01:46:01)
- Diet and Individual Truths: Why One Size Doesn’t Fit All (01:46:27)
- Profit Motives in Science and Medicine: What’s the Impact? (01:48:22)
- Processed Foods: Their Role in the Decline of Public Health (01:50:18)
- Health Testing: Can We Trust the Results? (01:53:03)
- Balancing Diet and Nutritional Freedom: Finding What Works (01:54:14)
- The Power of Stories: How They Shape Our Nutrition Beliefs (01:57:24)
- Evolutionary Diets: Do They Hold the Key to Health? (02:13:07)
- Ethical Diets and Planetary Health: Making Sustainable Choices (02:29:42)
- Final Reflections: Key Insights from the Nutrition Debate (02:33:36)
A big thank you to Ellen Fisher for hosting this engaging conversation and to Dr Kiltz for his willingness to share his perspective. It’s through open, respectful dialogue like this that we uncover insights to help us all grow. Whether you’re here to learn or challenge your current views, I appreciate you tuning in to this important discussion.
Discover more of The Ellen Fisher Podcast at https://www.ellenfisher.com/podcast. Learn more about Dr Kiltz at https://www.doctorkiltz.com/blog/.
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